Submission (Adept) god roll & best perks

pandapaxxy (PvE / M+KB / Controller): "Overflow on a 900 submachine gun is just hilarious. Overflow on any weapon is hilarious. I love overflow, I love its ease of use and the fact that it makes me forget my base mag on a near-constant basis. Submission with overflow and demolitionist or frenzy is going to be really strong in lower level activities. Along a similar vein, if you don’t like overflow, then something like subsistence on Submission would be alright. I just like overflow.". Recommended MW - Reload.

Strong alternatives

Tactical Mag Fluted Barrel Demolitionist Overflow Smallbore Corkscrew Rifling Appended Mag Extended Mag Subsistence Perpetual Motion Frenzy Harmony

Chevy's S16 Super Pog PvE Loot List. Recommended MW - Range

Essential perks

Corkscrew Rifling

Strong alternatives

Accurized Rounds Overflow Frenzy Subsistence Perpetual Motion Demolitionist Swashbuckler Tactical Mag

pandapaxxy (PvP / M+KB / Controller): "Multimach CCX is straight up better than Submission in a direct head to head. Submission has slightly better base stats in stability, reload, and aim assist. But the largest difference is ±6 points in stability. Which Multimach CCX immediately destroys with iron reach. Nevertheless, Submission is not the pick for PvP.". Recommended MW - Range.

Essential perks

Accurized Rounds

Strong alternatives

Killing Wind Hammer-Forged Rifling Overflow Smallbore Perpetual Motion Demolitionist

Inspired by DMB Player Versus Enemies Podcast 8. Shapeable through the Mars Relic. PvE first choice roll for general content. Perfect recoil direciton makes control fairly easy, so go for your choice of range, stability or handling in the barrel. Look to increase magazine size with the mag, and then Subsistence or Perpetual Motion pair with Frenzy to keep you shooting with a decent damage buff. Recommended MW: Reload Speed, with a Backup Mag (if not using Extended Mag) or damage-boosting (Minor, Major or Taken Spec) mod.

Strong alternatives

Subsistence Frenzy Subsistence Perpetual Motion Perpetual Motion Frenzy

Inspired by Destiny Massive Breakdowns from Podcast 251. PvP first choice roll for damage chaining (6s). Good PvP SMG with 1.5 zoom and the Lightweight's boost to mobility. Close to Multimach CCX in stats, but can't roll with Dynamic Sway Reduction so you'll need to use traits to compensate. Recommended MW: Stability with Adept Icarus Grip or Freehand Grip mod depending on play style.

Strong alternatives

Perpetual Motion Steady Rounds Hammer-Forged Rifling Swashbuckler Perpetual Motion Swashbuckler Polygonal Rifling Accurized Rounds

Inspired by Destiny Massive Breakdowns from Podcast 251. PvP first choice roll for damage chaining (6s). Good PvP SMG with 1.5 zoom and the Lightweight's boost to mobility. Close to Multimach CCX in stats, but can't roll with Dynamic Sway Reduction so you'll need to use traits to compensate. Sleight of Hand and Harmony work well together for a fast swap and 20% damage boots after a kill with another weapon. Recommended MW: Stability with Adept Icarus Grip or Freehand Grip mod depending on play style.

Strong alternatives

Harmony Sleight of Hand Steady Rounds Hammer-Forged Rifling Sleight of Hand Harmony Polygonal Rifling Accurized Rounds

Inspired by DMB Podcast 264 conversation with @pattycakesGG. PvP first-choice A-Tier roll for kill-chaining. Shapeable. Excellent base Airborne Effectiveness and the Lightweight frame helps your mobility stat, but could do with a bit more range. Push out the range as far as you can with barrel, mag and Masterwork, mixing in stability if you need help to control the recoil. Overflow is great for kill-chaining, especially with a damage-boosting trait like Swashbuckler, or pair with another Harmony weapon in your energy slot to feed off each other's kills. Masterwork: Range or Stability, with an Adept Range mod to push range out further, a Sprint Grip or Quick Access Sling, if you're playing aggressively, an Adept Icarus Grip mod to build on the already good Airborne Effectiveness stat, or a Targeting Adjustor for more passive playstyles.

Essential perks

Accurized Rounds Overflow

Strong alternatives

Harmony Hammer-Forged Rifling Smallbore Swashbuckler

Inspired by DMB Podcast 264 conversation with @pattycakesGG. PvP first-choice A-Tier roll for kill-chaining. Shapeable. Excellent base Airborne Effectiveness and the Lightweight frame helps your mobility stat, but could do with a bit more range. Push out the range as far as you can with barrel, mag and Masterwork, mixing in stability if you need help to control the recoil. Perpetual Motion adds gunfeel boosts which pair well with with a damage-boosting trait like Swashbuckler, or pair with another Harmony weapon in your energy slot to feed off each other's kills, for chaining. Masterwork: Range or Stability, with an Adept Range mod to push range out further, a Sprint Grip or Quick Access Sling, if you're playing aggressively, an Adept Icarus Grip mod to build on the already good Airborne Effectiveness stat, or a Targeting Adjustor for more passive playstyles.

Essential perks

Perpetual Motion Accurized Rounds

Strong alternatives

Harmony Hammer-Forged Rifling Smallbore Swashbuckler

Inspired by DMB Player Versus Enemies Podcast 8. Shapeable through the Mars Relic. PvE first choice roll for endgame content. Perfect recoil direction makes control fairly easy, so go for your choice of range, stability or handling in the barrel. Extended Mag with Overflow bypasses the reload penalty on picking up an ammo brick, and buffs magazine size to 82 (or more with the Enhanced version). Then Frenzy is easy to proc in endgame to give a solid damage buff. Recommended MW: Reload Speed or Stability, with a damage-boosting (Minor, Major or Taken Spec) mod.

Essential perks

Extended Mag

Strong alternatives

Overflow Frenzy Overflow Frenzy

Inspired by DMB Podcast 264 conversation with @pattycakesGG. PvP first-choice A-Tier roll for kill-chaining. Shapeable. Excellent base Airborne Effectiveness and the Lightweight frame helps your mobility stat, but could do with a bit more range. Push out the range as far as you can with barrel, mag and Masterwork. Overflow is great for kill-chaining, especially with a damage-boosting trait like Swashbuckler, or pair with another Harmony weapon in your energy slot to feed off each other's kills. Masterwork: Range, with an Adept Range mod to push range out further, a Sprint Grip or Quick Access Sling, if you're playing aggressively, an Adept Icarus Grip mod to build on the already good Airborne Effectiveness stat, or a Targeting Adjustor for more passive playstyles.

Essential perks

Full Bore Accurized Rounds Overflow

Strong alternatives

Harmony Swashbuckler

Inspired by DMB Podcast 264 conversation with @pattycakesGG. PvP first-choice A-Tier roll for kill-chaining. Shapeable. Excellent base Airborne Effectiveness and the Lightweight frame helps your mobility stat, but could do with a bit more range. Push out the range as far as you can with barrel, mag and Masterwork. Perpetual Motion adds gunfeel boosts which pair well with with a damage-boosting trait like Swashbuckler, or pair with another Harmony weapon in your energy slot to feed off each other's kills, for chaining. Masterwork: Range, with an Adept Range mod to push range out further, a Sprint Grip or Quick Access Sling, if you're playing aggressively, an Adept Icarus Grip mod to build on the already good Airborne Effectiveness stat, or a Targeting Adjustor for more passive playstyles.

Essential perks

Full Bore Perpetual Motion Accurized Rounds

Strong alternatives

Harmony Swashbuckler