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Eleatic Principle — Destiny 2 Machine Gun
Legendary · Machine Gun
Where it drops: Source: Season of the Witch

“Explanation leads to contradiction.”

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Built from 116 curated wishlist rolls for this Machine Gun. Perks marked essential appear in every roll of a recommendation; alternatives are the other perks curators call worth keeping.

Recommended rolls

pandapaxxy

mkb controller pve 54 wishlist rolls

pandapaxxy (PvE / M+KB / Controller): "I am sure by now most players have a good rapid-fire machine gun in their arsenal. Whether that's Retrofit Escapade, Planck's Stride, Recurrent Impact, Shattered Cipher, or reaching all the way back even a Thermal Erosion. That being said, the only direct competition Eleatic Principle has is with Planck's Stride, which I think Eleatic Principle blows Planck's out of the water. Eleatic has access to Golden Tricorn which is the best damage perk in the game, or if you prefer not to use an arc subclass you could go with Target Lock for a slightly different Retrofit. You won't have access to a reload or mag extending perk but you can make the shots easier to land with Zen Moment, Well Rounded, or after some kills even Heating Up." Recommended MW: Stability.

Strong alternatives

Arrowhead Brake Appended Mag Golden Tricorn Ensemble Target Lock Adrenaline Junkie Well-Rounded Heating Up Flared Magwell Chambered Compensator Smallbore

pandapaxxy

pvp mkb 28 wishlist rolls

pandapaxxy (PvP / M+KB): "Eleatic Principle will live and die by the PvE metascene, so there isn't much hope for it in PvP. Moving Target or Zen Moment paired with Tap the Trigger will allow you to stay on target a bit with the 900 RPM, and if you're a good shot you could take advantage of Target Lock for a slight edge." Recommended MW: Handling.

Strong alternatives

Target Lock Well-Rounded Fluted Barrel Ricochet Rounds Tap the Trigger High-Caliber Rounds Zen Moment Moving Target Extended Barrel Arrowhead Brake

pandapaxxy

controller pvp 18 wishlist rolls

pandapaxxy (PvP / Controller): "Eleatic Principle will live and die by the PvE metascene, so there isn't much hope for it in PvP. Moving Target or Zen Moment paired with Tap the Trigger will allow you to stay on target a bit with the 900 RPM, and if you're a good shot you could take advantage of Target Lock for a slight edge." Recommended MW: Stability.

Essential perks

Ricochet Rounds

Strong alternatives

Arrowhead Brake Tap the Trigger Zen Moment Target Lock Moving Target Heating Up Fluted Barrel Smallbore

Community wishlist roll

12 wishlist rolls

Adamsdown_Boy - information as at v8.0.0.6 PvE / PvE-Boss / PvE-BossSpec / PvE-EndGame / PvE-God / M+KB / Controller): PvE pick for killing boss-tier Subjugators. As per @mossy_max (https://x.com/mossy_max/status/1804893174965338387) - boss-tier Subjugators have a 20% damage reduction to all non-matching damage, going up to 30% DR to all damage after they "screech", which counts as a shield in-game and reacts to shield-based trait perks. Eleatic Principle is a shapeable LMG from Witch Queen, but although you can craft it to your liking, it's not the strongest LMG to use for this use case being shorter ranged and more difficult to control than adaptives. First, Arrowhead Brake to help with recoil (if you just drop one, Chambered Compensator or Polygonal Rifling will also to help land consistent crits). Then Extended Mag with a Backup Mag mod gets you to 115 shots in the mag or again, if you drop one, Appended Mag with Backup Mag gets you to 110. In the first trait perk column, there isn't a huge choice - Ensemble boosts reload speed in a fireteam, or Eddy Current is the best on offer if you're solo. In the second, Adaptive Munitions buffs damage to non-matching Subjugator "shields" for a total damage boost of around +45% after 15 hits (+73% when enhanced). The Head Rush origin trait mostly pointless - unless you make of habit of crouching and then standing up to shoot. Recommended MW: Stability, with a Backup Mag mod

Essential perks

Adaptive Munitions

Strong alternatives

Arrowhead Brake Extended Mag Ensemble Chambered Compensator Polygonal Rifling Appended Mag Eddy Current

Community wishlist roll

4 wishlist rolls

Inspired by @PodvsEnemies Podcast vs Enemies episode 76 (https://open.spotify.com/episode/4UoXFYD3DbunDEKIGDiriX?si=1957400d9e024ed5) with @Saint_Kabr and @ImpetusAlways. Backup PvE pick for Minor Spec add-clear in general content. Shapeable. The Eleatic Principle, is a philosophical argument that only items which have the capacity to affect or be affected are. Make of that what you will... Unfortunately, this is not the arc rapid-fire LMG you are looking for. If you really don't have a better arc option, then tidy up the recoil direction - you're putting out a lot of bullets - with Arrowhead Brake in the barrel, and High-Caliber, Ricochet or Armor-Piercing Rounds as the magazine perk. There's really nothing to get excited about with the traits - Ensemble in a fireteam, or Eddy Current if not, in the first trait column as the support perk, and then for bonus damage, Golden Tricorn or Adrenaline Junkie in the second trait slot as the signature perk. Whether you find the Head Rush origin trait useful will depend on how often you crouch and get up again - if you do, the additional handling and reload speed is useful, if not game-changing. Recommended MW: Reload Speed, with a damage-boosting (Minor or Taken Spec) mod.|tags: PvE, PvE-MinorSpec, M+KB, Controller

Essential perks

Arrowhead Brake High-Caliber Rounds

Strong alternatives

Golden Tricorn Ensemble Eddy Current Adrenaline Junkie

What these Eleatic Principle perks do

Adaptive Munitions

Hits against Barrier Champion or non-matching Elemental Shields deal increasingly higher damage. Buff is removed upon hitting a matching shield or an unshielded enemy. Damage increase by Weapon Archetype: • Fusion Rifles: untested • Machine Guns, Auto/Pulse/Trace Rifles: 10% per hit, up to 50% • Linear Fusion Rifles: 22% per hit, up to 44% • Bows, Glaives, Hand Cannons, Scout Rifles: 25% per hit, up to 50%

Ensemble

Grants 30 Handling and 40 Reload Speed while within 15 meters of an ally. Buff lingers for 1.5 seconds once you're no longer near allies.

Eddy Current

Grants the following after sprinting for 1.5 seconds with the weapon readied: • 20 Reload Speed • 0.95x Reload Duration Multiplier • ? Handling • 0.95x Handling Animation Duration Multiplier Sprinting refreshes the buff duration. Being Amplified removes the sprinting requirement and increases the Reload Speed stat bonus to 60.

Golden Tricorn

While the perk's buff isn't active, Weapon Kills grant 'Golden Tricorn x1' for 7 seconds, increasing weapon damage by 15%. Additional Kills refresh the buff duration. While Golden Tricorn x1 or x2 is active: Grenade or Elemental Melee Kills matching the element of the Weapon grant Golden Tricorn x2 for 10 seconds, increasing weapon damage by 50%. Clarity tooltip editor's note: We're replacing the previous Powered Melee term with Elemental Melee. The former is now exclusively used for perks that require the consumption of a Melee Ability Charge. This note is temporary and will be removed in the future.

Target Lock

Successive Hits within 0.2 seconds of each grant a ramping Damage Buff after scoring 12.5% of the Magazine Capacity as hits. Missing deactivates the buff. Stacks displayed on-screen are only visual aides, the buff ramps up with each shot once active. Reaches maximum strength at 5 Stacks. % of the Magazine Capacity as Hits required for each Visual Stack: 12.5%|35.5%|54.5%|74.5%|110.33% Damage Buff ramps up from 16.73% [10.46%] to 40% [25%] upon reaching maximum strength. Assuming no missed shots, it provides roughly a 25% [15.85%] Damage Buff on average after firing 100% of the Magazine Capacity.

Adrenaline Junkie

Weapon Kills grant 1 Stack of Adrenaline Junkie for 4.5 seconds. Grenade Kills grant all 5 Stacks instantly even if the weapon is stowed. Adrenaline Junkie benefits: • 20 Handling • 6.7%|13.3%|20%|26.6%|33.3% increased damage at 1|2|3|4|5 Stacks

Well-Rounded

Grenade Ability usage and Elemental Melee hits grant 1 Stack of Well-Rounded for 15 seconds. Super Ability usage grants 2 Stacks. Maximum of 2 Stacks. Each Stack grants 10 Range, 10 Stability, and 10 Handling. Clarity tooltip editor's note: We're replacing the previous Powered Melee term with Elemental Melee. The former is now exclusively used for perks that require the consumption of a Melee Ability Charge. This note is temporary and will be removed in the future.

Heating Up

Weapon Kills grant a Stack of Heating Up for 5.5 seconds. Maximum of 2 Stacks. Benefits at 1|2 Stacks of Heating Up: • 15|30 Stability • 20|40 Recoil Direction • 15%|25% decreased Accuracy Cone Size • 15%|25% decreased Accuracy Cone Growth Buff remains active while stowed.

Tap the Trigger

Firing grants 'Tap The Trigger' for 0.6 seconds, providing the following benefits: • 40 Stability • 50% decreased Recoil • 10% decreased Accuracy Cone Size Fusion Rifles only receive 25% of the benefits. Buff cannot be refreshed until Automatic Weapons stop firing, or until the next burst. [Controller-Only] Weapon fires the instant trigger pressure is applied.

Zen Moment

Weapon Hits grant 1 Stack of the perk for 1 second up to the maximum of 5? Stacks. Benefits granted per Stack: • Grants ?% Flinch Resistance • Reduces Visual Weapon Shake by 15% • Reduces Reticle Bounce by 15% Stacks gained per Weapon Hit by weapon type: • Hand Cannons, Scout Rifles: 2? • Pulse Rifles, Sidearms: 1.5 • Other Weapons: 1

Moving Target

Grants the following while Aiming Down Sights (ADS): • 10 Aim Assist • 10% decreased ADS Movement Speed Penalty

High-Caliber Rounds

Hits inflict increased Flinch on Enemies. PVE: Tier 1-2 Minors can be repeatedly staggered. Higher Tier Combatants stagger quicker. PVP: Flinch against Players varies based on damage and Weapon Archetype. Flinch increase ranges between 5-10%.

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